Rachael Ray Shares the 'Weird Way' She and Husband John Cusimano Balance Each Other Out

Rachael Ray and her husband John Cusimano are different — and that’s why they complement each other so well.

In the third episode of her new podcast, I’ll sleep when I’m dead Ray, 56, spoke about their marriage while talking to guest Jacques Pépin about his late wife Gloria. Ray told Pépin, 88, that they “brought something to each other” in the same way that Cusimano works with her.

“You know, [John is] a lawyer and a musician,” Ray said. “I’m not a musician. I’m certainly not a lawyer. I hate reading legal documents and official stuff, but we balance each other out in a weird way. We allow each other to be open to different worlds.”

Jacques Pepin and wife Gloria. Rachael Ray says she’s ‘very lucky’ to have husband John Cusimano: ‘He understands I need my space’

“I also think it’s fun to be able to speak honestly,” Ray added.

Ray and Cusimano were married in Italy in 2005. They renewed their vows a decade later in the same Tuscan castle where they were first married.

She also said in her podcast episode that Cusimano has been “essential” to her success over the years.

“I love my husband, John, and John works with me and we built our business and our brand together, but we agreed on the concept of serving the community, serving the world, serving the animals, serving the children,” she said.

“It was very important for me to marry him because I thought that this person could be a real partner in what I believe in and help people and build not a business, but a community,” she continued.

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John Cusimano and Rachael Ray visit the Staple Gin booth during the Food Network New York City Wine & Food Festival Presented by Capital One - Grand Tasting with Culinary Demonstrations at Pier 76 on October 15, 2023 in New York City.

John Cusimano and Rachael Ray visit the Staple Gin booth during the Food Network New York City Wine & Food Festival 2023.

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Pépin shared similar sentiments about his beloved wife, who died in 2020. (They married in 1966 and had a daughter, Claudine, soon after.)

“I wouldn’t be who I am without Gloria,” said the celebrated French chef. “I mean, she changed my life. She took care of things that I didn’t.”

“I can’t actually sign a check or know what we have … in the bank or things like that or what those accounts are for,” he continued. “I’m completely lost, she took care of it. I never took care of it. So she made it possible for me to do what I did and always supported me whether I was writing a book, whether I was giving lectures or whether I was going on a cruise or she was always with me.”

Ray has been candid about what makes her marriage work in previous episodes of her podcast, which she launched in October.

“I’m so wildly, wildly, wildly happy to have my husband,” Ray said of Cusiman in the second episode, which stars Billy Crudup. “But he understands that I need my space. He needs his own space.”

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Ray also shared the unconventional way she handles arguments with Cusiman.

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“It’s very difficult, especially for horny, creative or loud people who can just calm it down,” said guest Jenny Mollen. “John and I never calm it down. We have fierce matches all the time, but I think that’s healthy. I really want to. And I don’t trust people who are too quiet.”

“Too quiet drives me crazy,” Ray admitted. “I’d rather you tell me what you mean when you mean it and let’s talk it out.”

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